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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/9/2001 10:28 am  
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I have been wondering why it is that Atheist and other non-Christians Absolutely refuse to see God or acknowledge God.<p> 
The Universe Testifies of Jesus! Daily, moment by moment we are surrounded by Gods miracles. Our own existence is a Devine Miracle, we are a wonderful creation of God!<p> 

Last night I ran across this quote, that I think really sums up why people cannot find God.<p> 

<center><b>The Evolution believing-Atheist cannot find God for the same reason a Thief cannot find a policeman.</b></center><p> 

In other words people will not acknowledge God, not because God is unavailable, but because certain people are unwilling and are Purposely avoiding a relationship with God.<p> 

*This is too bad Because the God that they are ignoring is the God that created and Loves them. Non-believers are Rejecting because of Fear and Disinformation the only True Love they will ever experience, and that is a Born Again Spiritual Relationship with Jesus.<p> 

These Same people who Refuse to acknowledge God, also Insist that others reject the Loving God as they have. To reject Jesus is a recommendation that I could Never follow, and I hope no one else does either.<p> 





David A. Brown
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/9/2001 10:29 am  
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I have been wondering why it is that Atheist and other non-Christians Absolutely refuse to see God or acknowledge God.
The Universe Testifies of Jesus! Daily, moment by moment we are surrounded by Gods miracles. Our own existence is a Devine Miracle, we are a wonderful creation of God!

Last night I ran across this quote, that I think really sums up why people cannot find God.


The Evolution believing-Atheist cannot find God for the same reason a Thief cannot find a policeman.
In other words people will not acknowledge God, not because God is unavailable, but because certain people are unwilling and are Purposely avoiding a relationship with God.

*This is too bad Because the God that they are ignoring is the God that created and Loves them. Non-believers are Rejecting because of Fear and Disinformation the only True Love they will ever experience, and that is a Born Again Spiritual Relationship with Jesus.

These Same people who Refuse to acknowledge God, also Insist that others reject the Loving God as they have. To reject Jesus is a recommendation that I could Never follow, and I hope no one else does either.






David A. Brown
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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/9/2001 3:17 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (39 of 42)  
 
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Ironically enough, most of us Non Christians used to be Christian, which, therefore, makes your point meaningless. If a thief cannot find a policeman, then who was it that Jesus was killed alongside?


-The Mad Dr. Shock 
  
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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   7/9/2001 3:24 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (40 of 42)  
 
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I have been wondering why it is that Atheist and other non-Christians Absolutely refuse to see God or acknowledge God. 
The Universe Testifies of Jesus! Daily, <snip> 
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Edited for relevancy... 

Just kidding... but seriously, I believe in a God, I just have problems believing in your God as that would break the first comandment! You know it. It's really simple, "I am the lord your God, you shall have no other God before me." Now, you then tell me Jesus is God, isn't this breaking that rule since Jesus is not spelled YHVH or any other fashion. 

While I am sure I'm about to be told the same old rhetoric of 'Jesus is God and so is the holy spirit.' or the other statement of 'Jesus proved himself to be the one fortold to bring redemption' or perhaps I'll just hear the old statement of, 'You killed Christ!'. Well, don't bother, I am asking for more than just being told to take it on faith or a book that wasn't even written until 40 years after his death at the earliest. 

Al Kupone 

BTW - I do believe in evolution and that God is bigger than you can define. Where I come from, it is encouraged to ask questions. 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/9/2001 8:16 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (41 of 42)  
 
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Jesus did die between Two Thieves, Fulfilling Prophecy.
Isaiah 53:8,9 He (Jesus) was taken from prison and Judgment (Jewish Council, Herod, Pilate, People): and who shall declare His generation? For HE was cut off (Executed) out of the land of the Living: for the Transgressions of Many People was He Stricken. And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich (Joseph of Arimathaeas tomb) in His death; Because He had done No Violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I (Father God) divide Him (Jesus) a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; Because He (Jesus) hath poured out His Soul unto death: and He was numbered with the transgressors (two thieves); And He bare the Sin of Many.

One thief chose to Acknowledge the Kingdom of God the other Didnt. Nothing has changed in 2,000 years, some Acknowledge the Kingdom of Jesus and some dont.

Luke 23:39-44 And one of the malefactors (thiefs) which were hanged railed on Him (Jesus), saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other (thief) answering rebuked him, saying, Dost thou fear God (Jesus), seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy Kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily (Truth) I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

The Bible/God is never Impressed with how people start to walk or used to walk as a Christian. It is Always how you end up your life walking as a Christian. 

Hebrews 12:1,2 Wherefore seeing we (Christians) also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, Let Us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and Let US run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith; Who for the Joy that was set before Him endured the Cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

You think that being an Atheist, a Cultist, a Pagan, or an Evolutionist or a Satanist, or what ever, bothers us Christians, it doesnt, because we Know that it is not how or when you become a Christian, it is How you finish as a Christian. And that is my Hope for you and others, that you will Finish Well, Finish in the Kingdom of Jesus. 






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   From:  Dr_Shock   7/9/2001 8:31 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (42 of 42)  
 
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<<<One thief chose to Acknowledge the Kingdom of God the other Didn't. Nothing has changed in 2,000 years, some Acknowledge the Kingdom of Jesus and some don't.>>> 
(Note: This is argument for argument's sake.) 
In only one book of the Gospel does one of the thieves repent in another both scoff Jesus. Perhaps you should come up with a better Biblical analogy. 

<<<The Bible/God is never Impressed with how people start to walk or used to walk as a Christian. It is Always how you end up your life walking as a Christian.>>> 

Yes, and as you said, you can commit any number of sins as long as you repent on your death bed... Makes perfect sense. (... Hardly) I'm sure Jesus would disagree since he preached love for his fellow man. Not once did he convert an individual through fear tactics, name calling or brute force. 

<<<You think that being an Atheist, a Cultist, a Pagan, or an Evolutionist or a Satanist, or what ever, bothers us Christians, it doesn't, because we Know that it is not how or when you become a Christian, it is How you finish as a Christian. And that is my Hope for you and others, that you will "Finish Well," Finish in the Kingdom of Jesus.>>> 

If you think we're concerned with you then you're absolutely, positively wrong. Most of us have more important things to worry about like paying the bills, putting food on the table and trying to be productive members of society rather than trying to convert Christians. In real life, its usually you who preach to us rather than the opposite. To say that we don't bother you is hypocrisy for the ways in which you radically promote your views while the rest of us keep quietly to ourselves.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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